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Sophie ([personal profile] sqbr) wrote2010-02-21 09:26 am

A shocking turn of events

So, the universe (via it's earthly representative [community profile] linkspam) has kindly decided to give me a real world example of the hypothetical derailing conversation I came up with.

(And yes, I know, it doesn't fit the pattern EXACTLY. It's still pretty close to have happened within less than two weeks)

First: I just read this Bones fic "Someone loses an eye" description of Amanda Palmer's new album and it's really ableist.
And then inevitably All these posts about disability are making me feel silenced. Don't they realise how that hurts my feelings as a woman female artist? Our voices NEVER get to be heard, and now these oversensitive disabled people are telling ME what I can and cannot write! Helen Keller would be ashamed.(*)
which of course leads to
I think it's really important that we focus on the way women's voices artists are silenced.

Something I did not have an equivalent of in my post but which is an important part of the dynamic: a slightly separate but equally valid discussion of the issues to do with the project involving sexual abuse. EDIT: In my opinion a perfect example of how sometimes two different discussions around a topic can exist simultaneously without either of them being a derail.

*waits for someone to accuse me of being pro censorship*

(*)That's just in one section, the overall post goes in multiple contrary directions at once.
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[personal profile] sara 2010-02-21 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
Not only does it seem as though artists aren't being silenced, in this particular case, it seems as though artists keep yakking away and making a bad situation worse.

...but maybe I'm just interrogating the artistic effort from the wrong perspective, and Ms. Palmer is a great artist and very reflexive in her discourse and not a self-centered jerk.
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-21 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, was I (unintentionally) derailing in my post?
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-21 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
And I see we had xpost comments here. Thank you so much for replying - if you've been dealing with lots of challenges on the subject of derailing , all questions might be feeling buzz saw edged and exhausting right now.
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-21 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
Ok, I've re-read again (three times) and the sentences finally did what they're supposed to do . I was worried there for a moment, since it was not my intention at all to divert conversation away from confronting the ablism in E&E. If I had derailed I'd have asked for help spotting it.
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-21 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the edit. Though I'm not sure it was unclear to start with, really. I think I might just have been having reading comprehension fatigue (along with a dose of 'Oh crap! Must fix if I messed up!')

PS: Like your spoon icon. Just noticed what it said.
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[personal profile] softestbullet 2010-02-21 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, right? You're psychic.

I mean, OH MY GOD ORWELLIAN NIGHTMARE. HOW DARE YOU!!
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[personal profile] linkspam_mod 2010-03-15 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Your post has been added to a linkspam round-up.