Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 12:23 pm
Where are all the female anime fans? I don't read anime blogs, so can't speak to that, but in terms of meatspace fandom: am I wrong in remembering JAFWA (the local anime club) as having a lot of female members? I recall there being a reasonable number of women at the anime panels at Swancon too. Of course this is Australia, which may have a very different fan culture to the US.

Also I find her definition of "fan" unhelpfully ambiguous, it feels like anyone who isn't fannish the same way she is gets excluded. And that's not even getting into her very dubious explanations for this apparent effect, she completely ignores the possibility of sexism within anime fandom making women feel unwelcome. While most of the people I talked to were lovely, there were definitely some weird creepy guys at JAFWA.

The Unintended Consequences of Cyberbullying Rhetoric

Teenagers say drama when they want to diminish the importance of something. Repeatedly, teenagers would refer to something as “just stupid drama,” “something girls do,” or “so high school.” We learned that drama can be fun and entertaining; it can be serious or totally ridiculous; it can be a way to get attention or feel validated. But mostly we learned that young people use the term drama because it is empowering.

Dismissing a conflict that’s really hurting their feelings as drama lets teenagers demonstrate that they don’t care about such petty concerns. They can save face while feeling superior to those tormenting them by dismissing them as desperate for attention. Or, if they’re the instigators, the word drama lets teenagers feel that they’re participating in something innocuous or even funny, rather than having to admit that they’ve hurt someone’s feelings. Drama allows them to distance themselves from painful situations.


This reminds me of the way some people in online fandom use the term "wank".
Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 04:41 am (UTC)
Wow, I thought "But I see female anime fans everywhere!" and then she went on to exclude fans of specific shows or genres and fans who cosplay or write fanfiction or make fanart...which I'm pretty sure makes a lot of MALE anime fans "not fans," too. Uh. (I am really baffled by the idea that being really into a specific show makes someone less fannish.)
Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
She's drawing a distinction between anime and manga fans, which is interesting, because most of the female fans I know like both. But also I haven't been involved in any offline anime clubs for a long, long time.

I still know plenty of female anime fans, but maybe they aren't visible on the blogosphere?
Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 05:08 am (UTC)
Yeah, I couldn't figure that out.
Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 06:44 am (UTC)
AnimePlanet is flowing with fans, and heck the blogsphere has both male and female and it'snoneofyourbusiness fans doing reviews or art or cosplay or going to conventions, talking about the related bands and music and the like. I circle anime fandom, dipping in and out and skimming like a dragonfly - and I'm going WTF?

Where is this person hanging out? And is her expectation of gender segregation sending her places where it is?
Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 06:46 am (UTC)
Seriously? Less anime is made with what in mind? So, Bishie characters exist purely for male anime fans? I mean, talk about the culture's perception of what makes a strong female character but what?
Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 07:04 am (UTC)
There is a whole lot of male as default and male majority as culture (default). But even so, Otacon's forums? Full of women. When I went to Boston Anime a few years back? Full of women.

I just... is she just focusing even on the anime that becomes popular in the US? Or just on English Dubs? Except she did mention anime review blogs, which discuss stuff that's present season in Japan right now. Is she discounting Korean anime? And Chinese animation as not being 'anime'?

Am I seeing things differently because I consider myself a fan of animation and not narrowly defining what and who an anime fan might be?