Sorry, I didn't make this at all clear: They both look like cool characters in and of themselves. The only reason I found them annoying was that I got the impression they were a counter-example to the "Women have no power/agency unless they're evil" thing, which they're not (not by themselves, anyway, though they're a step in the right direction), and if that is the most powerful position a woman can hold in that universe then I'm going to remain frustrated by the show.

Yes, Beth=Ellen, sorry. Me + names=bad.