I don't have a deep understanding of class in england and america, though I get the feeling they're as different from each other as they are from us, but do both have a more rigid hierarchy than we do. Anyway, this is just about Australia.
They suffer social stigma as a result of their "bogan-ness" There are distinct ways in which it interfaces with gender and sexuality. A gay bogan, for instance, has sex with blokey men. They have their own language. (Or, at least, there are distinctly bogan phrases and accents)
Yes, they're a distinct subculture which experiences discrimination of a particular sort. No argument there.
It's inherited There are internal class differences. A rich bogan drives a brand new v12, and a poor one drives a 1970s Kingswood
Does it last over multiple generations though? My understanding of class is that it takes a generation or two for the effects of upward (or downward) mobility to kick in, but once they do people are fairly well assimilated, though you can get complicated layering effects.
Imagine you have couple 1 and couple 2, both poor bogans. They both get rich, move to a nice suburb, give their kids a decent education etc(*), and then those two kids marry. Will their kids be noticeably bogan? (Not "A bit less classy than Old Money", but actually bogan)
Compare if the two couples were aboriginal. No doubt about identity there no matter how much their lives change.
I mean it may be that I'm missing some of the nuances of australian society since I tend not to notice subtle social rules. But this is the way I see it.
(*)It is my experience that a large proportion of people, regardless of class, deep down want their kid to be a doctor.
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They suffer social stigma as a result of their "bogan-ness"
There are distinct ways in which it interfaces with gender and sexuality. A gay bogan, for instance, has sex with blokey men.
They have their own language. (Or, at least, there are distinctly bogan phrases and accents)
Yes, they're a distinct subculture which experiences discrimination of a particular sort. No argument there.
It's inherited
There are internal class differences. A rich bogan drives a brand new v12, and a poor one drives a 1970s Kingswood
Does it last over multiple generations though? My understanding of class is that it takes a generation or two for the effects of upward (or downward) mobility to kick in, but once they do people are fairly well assimilated, though you can get complicated layering effects.
Imagine you have couple 1 and couple 2, both poor bogans. They both get rich, move to a nice suburb, give their kids a decent education etc(*), and then those two kids marry. Will their kids be noticeably bogan? (Not "A bit less classy than Old Money", but actually bogan)
Compare if the two couples were aboriginal. No doubt about identity there no matter how much their lives change.
I mean it may be that I'm missing some of the nuances of australian society since I tend not to notice subtle social rules. But this is the way I see it.
(*)It is my experience that a large proportion of people, regardless of class, deep down want their kid to be a doctor.