nods Your comment made me think back over the chat, and I realised that
skimming through it to get the basic gist of what people were saying meant
I didn't have the same experience as those of you dealing with it in real
time, and once I imagined that I could see how frustrating it would have
been.
Also I guess I was setting the bar for "productive discussion" based on how
I'd expect that kind of argument to go at a regular Australian
scifi con/online space, which is lower than Wiscon should and does aim for
(because it's a progressive space, and because afaict progressive Americans
are generally less aggressively terrible about Judaism than
progressive Australians) Like...I've never been at a con with safety staff
who do anything more than offer someone to go to if you're being actively
harassed, and even that is very new. So it didn't even occur to me that
they could have intervened.
Anyway, as a sort-of-Jew I did find a lot of it pretty upsetting, and was
glad people spoke up about it. Though it's kinda confronting to realise
that "at least some people spoke up about it and the person eventually
apologised" is apparently the best possible outcome I can imagine for
someone being criticised for anti-Semetism :/
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nods Your comment made me think back over the chat, and I realised that skimming through it to get the basic gist of what people were saying meant I didn't have the same experience as those of you dealing with it in real time, and once I imagined that I could see how frustrating it would have been.
Also I guess I was setting the bar for "productive discussion" based on how I'd expect that kind of argument to go at a regular Australian scifi con/online space, which is lower than Wiscon should and does aim for (because it's a progressive space, and because afaict progressive Americans are generally less aggressively terrible about Judaism than progressive Australians) Like...I've never been at a con with safety staff who do anything more than offer someone to go to if you're being actively harassed, and even that is very new. So it didn't even occur to me that they could have intervened.
Anyway, as a sort-of-Jew I did find a lot of it pretty upsetting, and was glad people spoke up about it. Though it's kinda confronting to realise that "at least some people spoke up about it and the person eventually apologised" is apparently the best possible outcome I can imagine for someone being criticised for anti-Semetism :/