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Sunday, May 24th, 2009 12:52 pm
As the child of two art school dropouts(*) this is a topic which both fascinates and irritates me. I wrote a bit about it in More thoughts about Art and responsibility.

Anyway, [livejournal.com profile] ithiliana collects some recent discussion in writing, ART, responsibilities, powers, contexts which capture a lot of my annoyance. (She also has a lot of interesting things to say for herself, but they're less relevant to my rant)

I guess I see "challenging" yourself and other people, and art, as two separate things. Not orthogonal, but not all art challenges and not all challenges are art(**). I also get Really Annoyed at people who claim that the quality of a piece of art is directly proportional to the strength of the response it creates, since then they rely on cheap easy gimmicks to get strong responses (Religion+violence+children+excrement, say)

And if the point of your art is to be challenging: what are you challenging? Does it actually need challenging, or are you again taking cheap potshots? See, for example, all the "edgy" comics who poke at political correctness but not at the genuinely unquestioned aspects of their society, since audiences would much rather laugh at the oppressed than themselves.

Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with taking the easy way, but if you do you can't get all high-and-mighty about how Important and Unique your work is.

(*)Who, afaict, feel much the same way I do. And between them they do actually have all the courses for two fine art majors, but being True Stereotypical Arty Types they just never got it together enough to graduate :)
(**)And any artist who justifies their art by saying it's challenging, then freaks out if anyone challenges them about the assumptions and subtext of their work is a hypocrite. EDIT: I mean freaking out at the idea of being challenged, obviously you can object to any given challenge if you think it's wrong.
Sunday, September 6th, 2009 02:15 pm (UTC)
Why do you care though? My theory: because you are subjected to art that is supposed to be confronting, transformative, insightful - but it's not living up to its billing. But that's because of inadequate governance of exhibition spaces, or because of curators with limited critical capability.

Personally, I love art that provokes a response. What I don't love is being told a piece of art is going to provoke a response and then finding it old hat or simply weak.

"Religion+violence+children+excrement"

I really don't mind this sort of thing per se. It's all about subtlety or the lack thereof. It's perfectly reasonable to be interested in the fact that some configurations of things are etiquette dynamite and some are not.

To be honest, I just don't see where this leads. To a space in which art encourages quiet contemplation, not outrage? I find that thought outrageous! Also, I don't think there's a need to distinguish between "art" and "craft" and I think it's preferable to talk about specific works, or creators, or schools of artistic production - rather than talking about "art" in general or pretending to answer the question "What is Art?" - which is much like asking "What is Stuff?" ...
Tuesday, September 8th, 2009 04:05 am (UTC)
I hear you. Also, Elizabeth Bear again? I don't even think she's a good writer (personal opinion).

I don't think this discussion goes to the foundations as well as I'd like it to, and I'm currently contemplating a portentous blog entry on the subject of art as a consequence. Be warned.