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Tuesday, May 9th, 2017 08:05 am
It is in the interests of the creator to play down the full variation of human psysiology/psychology/culture etc. That way they can make their "alien" species "consistently different" to humans without having to make them genuinely different, and thus unrelatable and hard to write.

Inspired by a comment I just got on a Dragon Age fic I wrote about the experiences of a human with dwarfism in a world with fantasy "dwarves". I was thinking about why I haven't seen anyone else take on this pretty obvious plot, and realised it's because doing so is an uncomfortable reminder that (a) This is a real group of people we're exotifying into another species here (b) For the most part, fantasy dwarves (as well as halflings) are indistinguishable from especially short humans. Point this out, and they stop being cool and exotic.

And of course, as has often been discussed, this tendency has the implication that any experience too far outside the human "norm" is alien and weird. Where this "norm" is usually "WASPy American", as well as straight, cis, able bodied, etc. "Let me tell you of this human food called hamburgers" etc.
Thursday, May 11th, 2017 01:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, some of the fanfic is so awful about this. Particularly characters like Ronon.

Like, at the point where we meet Ronon, he's been on the run for seven years being hunted by the Wraith, and he's still a rather young man. So he isn't quite as... socially adjusted as, say, Teyla.

Nonetheless, right from the start it's established that he's military. He held the rank of Specialist. He's twitchy and hypervigilant but remarkably sane. The view we see of his homeworld is skyscrapers - a very definitely urban society.

He's not a savage, even if he can, occasionally, be savage.

He's also not particularly noble. He's trustworthy and decent, loyal to people who've earned it, but just a few episodes after his arrival, the B plot of an entire episode revolves around him pretty much straight-up murdering a man. Teyla understands his motivations, but warns him not to tell the Earth people, because they won't.

It's a pretty solid effort at writing in the notion that the people of Pegasus are different, that they have mores shaped by a history entirely unlike ours. What amounts to an execution without any kind of legal process is a thing they can consider reasonable.

Meanwhile, in the immediate aftermath of when Teyla arrived, we see her negotiating an extremely difficult path: for assorted reasons some of the Earth people are growing suspicious of her people, the Athosians.

Teyla finds herself somewhat isolated, because while Weir and Bates are being suspicious of her, her own people, her friend Halling at their head, are having meetings without her and making plans without her because they think she's clearly too friendly with the Earth people.

Teyla thinks that the Atlantis expedition, with its gene-carriers capable of using Ancient tech and the scientific advancements of a people who didn't get culled to oblivion for developing a society that progressed noticeably past the invention of agriculture, represent the best chance against the Wraith that the galaxy has ever had.

So she stands with the people who are treating her like shit against her friends, and when the suspicions are resolved and Weir acknowledges the unfairness of the position she's been in?

Teyla forgives her, tells her that she can understand, because, as she is also a leader of her people, she might have done the same thing. Teyla is "noble", but she's noble like a queen, and she doesn't compromise herself along the way. She maintained her dignity, endured some emotional difficulty, and at the end of that, she reminded Weir that they were, fundamentally, equals.

Teyla demands respect. Gracefully and graciously, but she will be respected. It's not even "or else" - she does not allow the possibility of any other option.

I just... they're both, to me, really good characters, and I find it offensively reductionist when people treat them like Yet Another Noble Savage Archetypes.

My recollection is helped by the fact that Jen and I are currently watching through SGA again with a friend who hasn't seen it before.
Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 04:03 am (UTC)
Thank you for writing this out - there is a lot here that I've missed by just casual contact with the fandom.
Friday, November 3rd, 2017 11:20 pm (UTC)
You're welcome.

I'm not going to pretend SGA is flawless, because it's absolutely not. There's a few episodes I don't like, and a major character death I consider to be some of the worst writing in the history of television, for real.

But a lot of it is good, and Teyla and Ronon, in particular, are imo standout examples of how to write those sorts of characters *well*. They're different, but neither inferior nor superior in a categorical way; Teyla and Ronon are superior individuals, but it's clear they are exceptional in their own societies, as well. They're not just better because Athosians/Satedans are magic.

It's sort of like how one of the ways in which earlyish Deep Space Nine was well-written was that Kai Winn was a supremely punchable asshole. The Bajorans and their faith weren't played as a noble superiority either, because the head of their church was a cynical, power-hungry terrible person.
Sunday, November 5th, 2017 12:57 pm (UTC)
This makes a lot of sense. I like the idea that we see these characters because they are superior within their own cultures, and that makes them the ones who interact with the humans.