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Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 08:58 am
[livejournal.com profile] ithiliana made a locked post(*) asking her flist what GLBT people wish was better known by their peers at uni, and what straight people wish they'd known at uni. I found this a really interesting question, since by uni most people have gotten past the basic "Gay people exist and aren't evil" stage. EDIT: I haven't included stuff on non-monogamous relationships and other misunderstood aspects of sexuality like S&M etc since that wasn't part of the original post. Feel free to discuss them in the comments anyway :)

So, this is my answer, including stuff I've seen other people get consistently wrong:

1) On the whole GLBT people look and act just like straight people, there's no such thing as reliable "gaydar"(**). Don't freak out when a "normal" person turns out to be GLBT (especially T) or make assumptions about a "gay acting" person.
1a)Straight is not the default, don't just assume any "normal acting" person is interested in people of the opposite sex and not in those of the same sex (or that those distinctions even apply). No, not even if they have/had a partner of the opposite sex.
1b)Don't freak out if people don't assume you're straight. They're just covering all bases, not "accusing" you of being lesbian or gay.

2)Asexuals exist. They are not going to grow out of it. They are not secretly gay. They don't need to "try it and see".

3) Straight people do not get to "reclaim" "gay"/"fag" etc as insults/negative adjectives etc. Not even if the context has nothing to do with sexuality.

4) Intersex and trans* people exist and have feelings. It doesn't suddenly become ok to make fun of them if you use words like "hermaphrodite" and "shemale".

5) Sexuality and identity are complicated and a matter of personal choice. You don't get to say "She had a boyfriend, she's not a lesbian" or "He said that guy is cute, he's not an asexual".
5b) These things also change. Someone can be enthusiastically straight, and then become gay/lesbian, and then identify as a pansexual etc, and not be "lying".

6) GLBT doesn't begin to cover it. (I'm not 100% up on all the varieties of sexuality myself, I must admit)

7) (After reading comments on that post) Sexuality is not actually just about sex. As with straight people, it's all mixed up with love and companionship and all that stuff in a sometimes very complicated way.


So what do you guys think?
EDIT: I'm not going to correct this post since I'd be rewriting it forever and I think it acts an interesting snapshot into the brain of a well meaning but somewhat clueless straight person. But it's definitely flawed, and there's lots of important additions and discussion in the comments.

(*)to keep answers private, she said it was ok to mention it existed
(**)Well, not for straight people, anyway :)
Thursday, January 15th, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)
Everyone's said very sensible and grown up things here. I guess I just don't care what sexuality someone is. Not in a nasty way, more in a I don't care if you're left handed, or a Scorpio or from South of the River way. So my assumptions are kind of a Err4 reading than 0-6, but if someone states that they have a same-sex partner, I am surprised very very briefly. Wait, I'm also the same amount of surprised when someone says they have a partner of the opposite sex, so I just wasted my time typing that.

I do object to people (often, but not always of the GLBT community) assuming I am sexist or homophobic or GLBT-ist. Not just me, there was a great moment when two mutual friends met, and one started ranting at the other about straight men being homophobic, laying into him for representing the world's evils. Yeah, that's right, he was gay. It was hilarious (for me.)

Oh, and 1b) and [livejournal.com profile] strangedave's comment ...as are being a lesbian and being butch YES. I don't know the frequency of this sort of thing, but it shits me to tears that I am so often assumed to be gay. I know of at least three guys who have gone under the misaprehention that I am a lesbian, for different reasons.
I know that not all lesbians are butch, and the world seems to be getting better at that idea, but not every girl who doesn't wear makeup, dresses, skirts, make-out with strange boys is gay. I've actually invented a previous boyfriend backstory to drop into conversation when people are getting nosey.
I had to sit my mum down one day and explain to her that I liked boys, it's that bad.

(Also, yes, I get the irony here. "Poor me, shoved into the wrong category, how hard it is to be straight." The only two times in my life I have ever been hit on, were by chicks. Not offended, just annoyed at the statistics :P)
Friday, January 16th, 2009 01:07 am (UTC)
one started ranting at the other about straight men being homophobic, laying into him for representing the world's evils

At random, or had he said something which (to the listener) came across as sexist/homophobic? It is an unfortunate fact that sometimes one is the straw that broke the camel's back, the whole situation not being very fair for the straw or the camel. (This is one reason I try to get my feminist/anti-racist etc rage out on my lj, lets me be calmer when facing this stuff in person)

People assume you're lesbian? You don't strike me as any more butch than I am! (Not that it would be a fair assumption even if you were)

Have you seen "But I'm a cheerleader"? It's a cute if slight movie about a girl who's sent to "un-gay-ification" camp and she's all "But I can't be a lesbian! I like pink! And cheerleading!" while another (straight) girl was sent there just for playing softball :) Then again, if you admit to watching it people may assume even more...

I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with complaining about the ways in which heterosexism make life difficult for straight people as long as we don't try to dominate the conversation or argue that we have it worse. Puts us all on the same side, same way as I like to see men complain about the way sexism (actual sexism, not imaginary "women run the world" sexism against men) hurts men.
Friday, January 16th, 2009 02:07 pm (UTC)
As best I can remember, he said nothing defamatory. It was basically introductions, standard stuff which turned into a rant about how his type of person was destroying the world.

Yep. It's that whole thing people do, consciously and subconsciously, look at past relationships, look at interactions between each sex and add up all those gender things (make-up, sports, skirts, hairstyle.) I'm much more comfortable around girls, big surprise. I'm touchy feely, but moreso with girls. I had a very 'touchy' relationship with a friend who's a very out lesbian. (This accounts for one of the confused men.)

I have seen But I'm a Cheerleader. I had a disproportionate number of non-straight friends in highschool and for them it was some sort of biblical adaptation.
On one hand, it's weird that flaunting some gender stereotypes (like shaving, wearing skirts) makes me feel like I stand out in a bad way, but other things make me feel empowered (like a young person knitting, or a check-out chick having a brain [I used to bleach my hair to be a smart blonde.])
Monday, January 19th, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, ok, that does sound dumb.

On one hand, it's weird that flaunting some gender stereotypes (like shaving, wearing skirts) makes me feel like I stand out in a bad way, but other things make me feel empowered (like a young person knitting, or a check-out chick having a brain [I used to bleach my hair to be a smart blonde.])

I have that too, plus sometimes it's empowering one day and makes me feel bad the next.